Frank Zappa - The dangerous kitchen

hello!!!
bon aujourdui, j'avais un peu de temps, et par une recherche google sur Bozzio j'ai decouvert un forum sur zappa, celui de ratatium-dont vous avez deja parlé), où j'ai découvert qu'il y avait des gens de g.com qui étaient fans de zappa. Me voila rapatrié sur g.com, à lire les 20 pages sur le sujet Zappa.
je me rends compte que je suis pas, et de loin, le seul fan de France de M. Zappa.
pour ma part, en réaction à divers sujets:

-pour découvrir Zappa, je conseille le chronologique, de toute façon, si vous avez envie de vous y mettre, vous passerez sur toutes les difficultés (même Lumpy Gravy s'apprivoise!), et en faisant comme ça vous n'oublierez rien. Pour découvrir, sachant que je ne posséde jusqu'ici que les 12 premiers(je suis pas assez vieux pour avoir deja tout!!!), Hot Rats, Uncle Meat et We're Only in It... sont majeurs pour la période 60s.

-des liens sur zappa: http://www.djouls.com/frankzap(...).html est une discographie complete et commentée. Je ne suis pas toujours d'accord avec les notes données, mais ça donne un bon point de départ pour se fixer les idées pour les gens qui, comme moi ya pas si longtemps, ne savent pas par où commencer.

-*** évite ce type de demandes à l'avenir STP! ***

-concernant Zappa le guitariste: est-ce que, techniquement, il avait quelque chose qui en fait un "guitar heroe" au sens "magazine de gratte" du terme? (sachant que rien n'est pire que de coller des étiquettes à des gens...) parce que je trouve qu'il est bon, mais qu'il utilise un peu tout le temps les mêmes plans (en même temps, je ne connais que le premier quart de sa discographie, ceci expliquant peut etre cela). Et je trouve que defois il abuse niveau longueur de soli, avec un son de whawha et jeu dans les médiums qui pete pas comme un solo de Jimi Page(rien a voir, je sais).
*** évite ce type de demandes à l'avenir STP! ***

a bientot pour de nouvelles aventures, et ecco j'accepte toute information sur des sites ou nimporte quoi!!!(maile moi...)

et c t pas ecco mais icco qu'il fallait lire a la fin...dsl

Ah ah bon voyage
Eh Eh Non;on est plein

moi aussi je conseille l' ordre chrono( sauf pour ahead of their time 68 sortis dans les années 80)
Excellent site je suis content de le découvrir...merci à toi...
Je connais pas ...Tu sais que c' est risqué de ss entendre le téléchargement ?Si un modo passe par là!!

.Fais attention quand même...

ya bien http://www.fredunzel.com ;mon zappa site preférré...Plein d' autres ont été cités ici même...fouines un peu...je sais c' est chiant...

merci pour fredunzel, c un site bien utile.

tant que j'y pense, au cas où personne n'en ait deja parlé: www.planetzappa.com

je relance le debat de guitariste sur le coté technique du monsieur???

Salut à tous,

Ayant un oncle fan de Zappa (il a une soixantaine de vinyls/albums, et l'a vu 26 fois en cocert quand même ), je me suis mis à t/l sa musique (j'ai 6 parties sur 7 de sa discographie, mais j'ai pas beaucoup écouté encore) et j'adore. J'aimerais donc savoir si ces albums sont proposés pas cher genre à la fnac, parce que j'ai pas trop les moyens étant un chti jeune de 15 ans, mais que j'aime bien avoir le CD dans mes mains, disséquer la pochette, appuyer sur play et me poser tranquillement dans mon pouf pendant une heure

Sinon je voudrais bien savoir comment il est mort (en quelle année)? De plus, dans un Guitar Part, dans une interview de sa femme, elle disait qu'il était tombé gravement malade, mais qu'il composait quand même (je crois que c'est Civilization III qu'il a composé)

-SeB tHe An0b0dY

salut jeune!! moi qui aie à peine 20 ans, je peux te dire, pour avoir dépensé des fortunes chez M et mme fnac-histoire d'avoir les pochettes, tres interessantes ches zappa(rine que pour avoir les musiciens et 2 3 anecdotes...), ça coute 18, 99 euros l'album connu et 12 13 euros l'album pas connu... je sais pas ptetre sur le net tu trouveras moins cher, sinon ecume les disquaires d'occase, j'ai pris sheik yerbouti pour 15 euros alors qu'il est à 19 a la fnac.

pour sa mort: cancer de la prostate si mes souvenirs sont bons. en 1993, même, je crois. mais l'important c'est ce qu'il a fait avant... 8-)

(EXISTE T IL DES BOOLTEGS DU GARRICK THEATER?)

tiens une liste de bootlegs ...attention les yeux....
Alphabetical Bootleg Index

0-9
 20 Years Ago ... Again
 20 Years of Frank Zappa
 200 Motels
 200 Motels Live with Zubin Mehta & the LA Philharmonic
 29.10.75 (Waterbury, Connecticut)
 30 Years of Frank Zappa (Apocrypha)
 31 October 1981 (Palladium, New York)
 40th Birthday - Previously Unreleased
 79 BREST ZAPPA PT 3
A
 A Snail in My Nose
 A Token of His Extreme
 A Token of My Extreme
 A Vegetable by Any Other Name
 Absolutely Zappa at the Circus
 Advanced Study: World Pop Domination
 Ahoy Rotterdam - June 24th 1980
 All You Need Is Glove
 American Pageant - Nullis Pretii
 An Evening with ... Frank Zappa & Captain Beefheart
 Any Way the Wind Blows - Frank in Paris
 Apocrypha (30 Years of Frank Zappa)
 Appleton Album, the (Mothers of Invention)
 Appleton Volume 2
 Around the World
 Arrogant Mop
 Asakusa Night
 As an Am
 Assault on New York - The Toxic Shock Trilogy
 At Loreley
 At the Circus
 At the Olympic
 Autographe '82
B
 Back on the Straight and Narrow
 Bavarian Extravaganza
 Beauty Knows No Pain
 Berlin - Deutschlandhalle 15.2.78 Part 1
 Berlin - Deutschlandhalle 15.2.78 Part 2
 Best of ... Pappa Zappa & Any Way the Wind Blows, the
 Beyond the Fringe of Audience Comprehension
 Big Mother Is Watching You
 Black Napkins
 Black Page, the
 Bolzano Part I
 Bolzano Part II
 Bongo Fury El Paso TX
 Bongo Fury in El Paso
 Boot the Beats
 Brain, the
 Brest
 Broadway the Hard Way (single LP)
 Broadway the Hard Way (triple LP)
 Broadway the Hard Way in Europe (6-CD box)
 Broadway the Hard Way in USA (6-CD box)
 Broccoli Shower, the
C
 Canada 1973
 Caress Me
 Carousel
 Chalk Pie
 Charlie's Favourite
 Cheap Shot
 Child's Play
 Christmas in New York in '76
 Chronicle
 Clownz on Velvet (Toxic Shock Part III)
 Comic-Book Extravaganza (Grand Wazoo)
 Conceptual Continuity
 Concerthouse67 / Royal Festival Hall68 (Oldies But Goldies / Live - Over 20 Years Old)
 Confidential
 Could This Be ... Joe's Garage Acts IV & V Live?
 Cosmik Evolution
 Cruisin' with Ruben & the Jets
 Crush All Boxes
 Cucamonga Era, the
 Cucamonga Years - the Early Works of Frank Zappa 1962-1964 [vinyl counterfeit of the legitimate Japanese CD]
 Cuccurrullo Brillo Brullo
 Cupid's Delight
D
 Days of Yore
 Dead Girls of ... Glasgow
 Dead Girls of London - Live in New York
 Dead Girls of Munich Part 1
 Deutschlandhalle 15.2.78 Part 1 (Berlin)
 Deutschlandhalle 15.2.78 Part 2 (Berlin)
 Demos
 Disconnected Synapses
 Do the Hip Shake
 Does Humor Belong in Music?
 Donna U Wanna
 Dortmund 1984
 Down Under, the Mothers
 Dream Machine, the
 Dropping Dildos
 Drowning Witch (Toxic Shock Part I)
 Dump All Over
 Dupree's Paradise
 Dweezil Has Messed My Mind Up
E
 Easy Meat
 Easy Rider Generation in Concert: Frank Zappa & Mothers of Invention, the
 Easy Rider Generation in Concert: The Flower Power Hippy Years, the (various artists)
 Easy Rider Years, The
 Ein Monster in der Musikhalle
 Electric Aunt Jemima
 Encores
 Envelopes / Black Napkins
 Erdbeben in München
 Europe, Backstage & the Mystery Side
 Evening with ... Frank Zappa & Captain Beefheart, an
 Eyes of Osaka, the
F
 Famous X-mas Flower Hour, the
 Fire!
 Fits Your 34B, No Matter Which 43B You Are.
 Flower Power Hippy Years, the (the Easy Rider Generation in Concert) (various artists)
 For Sharleena
 Framingham 1969
 Frank in Frankfurt
 Frank Zappa & Hot Rats at the Olympic
 Frank Zappa & Hot Rats at the Olympic / 200 Motels Live with Zubin Mehta & the LA Philharmonic
 Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention Live
 Frank Zappa Gets His Shit Together
 Frank Zappa Live at Fox Theatre 1977
 Frank Zappa Live at the Los Angeles Philharmonic
 Frank Zappa Live in Edinboro 1974
 Frank Zappa Uncle Penguin [YES! YES!]
 Frank Zappa vs. the Tooth Fairy
 Frank Zappa's Best Band
 Frank Zappa's Thing-Fish
 Frank's Place
 Frankie Boy - Toxic Shock Part 4
 Frankie Goes to Düsseldorf
 Frankie Goes to Paris - Continued
 Frankie Goes to Rotterdam
 Frankie Meets Bobby [only one side is Zappa]
 Frankie's Greatest Hits - Live 1988
 Freaks & Motherfuckers
 Fred Zappelin
 From the Vaults to the Biggest Halls Volume 1
 Frunobulax
 FZ:OZ
 FZ Uncle Penguin [YES! YES!]
G
 Gas Mask
 Gets His Shit Together, Frank Zappa
 Godfather in Full Metal Jacket, the
 Godfather Meets the Untouchables, the
 Good Evening, Vienna!
 Good Grief!
 Got Zapped Back in '69
 Got Zapped in '76
 Grand Wazoo Comic-Book Extravaganza
 Grand Wazoo Orchestra, the
 Great Googly Moogly
 Greatest Flops!!!, the
 Guitar Hernia
 Guitar Player - Live 1978
H
 Halloween
 Happy Halloween 1978
 Heavenly Bank Account
 History & Collected Improvisations of Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention, the
 Hotel Dixie
 How Much Rot Can You Handle?
 Hungry Freaks
 Hungry Freaks, Daddy / Trouble Every Day (single)
I
 I Was a Teenage Maltshop
 If You Get a Headache
 Im Zeichen des magischen Affen (CD that came with the book)
 In Europe
 In New York
 in New York 81
 In New York & San Francisco
 Incognito
 Indiscreet Picture Show
 Instructional Wanking
 Invocations
 It's Been a Long Time Comin'
 It's More Than a Burp
J
 Joe's Garage Acts IV & V Live (Could This Be ...?)
 Jones Crusher
 June 24th 1980 (Ahoy Rotterdam)
 Jungle Folksongs with Zappa & Kong
 Just Another Live Album
K
 King Biscuit Flower Hour
 King Kong Ripped My Flesh
 Kiss My Broccoli
 Kiss My Volcano
 Knebworth, England
 Known/Unknown
 Kreega Bondola
L
 Lactic Decay
 Leatherette
 Lectures
 Let's Drink Some Beer and Hear Frank Zappa
 Life of Francesco Zappa, the
 Lisa's Dangerous Kitchen
 Little House I Used to Live in
 Live (Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention Live)
 Live 1988 (Frankie's Greatest Hits)
 Live Ahoy!
 Live am Rhein
 Live at Fox Theatre 1977
 Live Downunda
 Live at the Los Angeles Philharmonic
 Live in Amsterdam
 Live in Boston 18 July 1968
 Live in Brest, France (Part 3)
 Live in Edinboro 1974
 Live in Europa
 Live in Europe 1966-1968
 Live in Framingham '69
 Live in Holland 1971 (?)
 Live in Holland & Elsewhere
 Live in Hollywood
 Live in Melbourne
 Live in New York
 Live in New York (Dead Girls of London)
 Live in Paris (Zoot Allures (Titties & Beer))
 Live in Paris 1970
 Live in Schüttdorf
 Live - Over 20 Years Old (Oldies But Goldies) (Concerthouse67 / Royal Festival Hall6
 Live USA
 Lone Ranger, the
 Look Out, Plastic People
 Los Botas Graciosas Marchan Sobre Polonia
 Läther
 Läther Box
M
 Martian Love Secrets
 Marvellous Stunner
 Metal Man Has Hornet's Wings
 Miami Matinee
 Miami Matinee Volume 1
 Miami Matinee Volume 2
 Milwaukee State Fair 8-Oct-1984 Part 1
 Moe's Vacation
 MOI: American Pageant (Musical Underground Oratorios)
 Mothermania
 Mother Universe
 Mothers Down Under, the
 Mothers of Invention Live in Framingham '69
 Mudshark
 Mudd Club, the (Welcome to)
 Muffin "Live" Band
 Muffin Research from the Utility Kitchen
 Musical Underground Oratorios (MOI: American Pageant)
 My Guitar
 My Gypsy Friend
 My Name is Fritz
 Mystery Box
 Mystery Disc from the Old Masters Box I
 Mystery Disc from the Old Masters Box II
N
 Nasty Rats
 Necessity Is ...
 New York & San Francisco, In
 Nice Concert, Nice People
 Nifty
 Night of the Iron Sausage, the
 Nihon-Seinenkan [go to our Chinese/Japanese page (requires Japanese language support)]
 No Bacon for Breakfast
 No Bacon for Breakfast Part 1
 No Bacon for Breakfast Part 2
 No Commercial Potential
 No Commercial Potential - A Non-Conceptual Promotion-Only Compilation of the Music of Frank Zappa
 Non-Foods
 Not Just Another Zappa Record
 Nothing Succees Like Success
 Norwegian Rhapsody (2-CD box)
 Norwegian Rhapsody Volume 1
 Norwegian Rhapsody Volume 2
 Nullis Pretii (American Pageant)
O
 Oldies but Goldies / Live - Over 20 Years Old (Concerthouse67 / Royal Festival Hall6
 Olé, Marqueson
 Oppopoppa
 Orchestral Rarities 1961-1986
 Our Man in Italy
 Our Man in Nirvana
P
 Pachuco Hop
 Palladium, New York, 31 October 1981
 Pappa Zappa
 Paralipomeni della Batracomiomachia
 Parco Redecesio, Milan, July 6, 1982
 Pa's Nose Fell Off at Breakfast, It Fell Right in Ma's Coffe and Displaced It
 Peepers Part 1
 Peepers Parts 2 & 3
 Perpetual Hard-On, the
 Personality
 Petrouska
 Pigs & Repugnance
 Pigs & Repugnant
 Pink Elephants Never Cry (But They Sure Screw Like Hell)
 Piquantique
 PiquantiqueSydney1973
 Poot Face Booogie
 Previously Unreleased (40th Birthday)
 Prime Pork Cuts, Uncle Frankie's
 Project-Object
 Provocative Squats
 Punky's Whips
 Punky's Whips Shown on Stage
 Pygmy Pony
Q
R
 Raffle
 Randomonium
 Real Tapes, the (Thing-Fish)
 Realistic Dream
 Redunzel / Inca Roads (single)
 Remington Electric Razor
 Return of the Son of Serious Music
 Ride My Face to Chicago
 Rock-Storia e Musica
 Rondo Hatton Band, the
 Rotterdam 1980
 Roxy & Elsewhere
 Royal Festival Hall68 / Concerthouse67 (Oldies But Goldies / Live - Over 20 Years Old)
 Rubber Slices
 Rustic Protrusion
S
 Saarbrücken '78
 Safe Muffinz
 Scandinavian Nights Part 1
 Scandinavian Nights Part 2
 Scherade Part 1
 Scherade Part 2
 Schischgebab
 Serious Music
 Sheik's Rehearsals, the
 Ship Arriving Too Late for Stevie's Spanking in Berlin
 Show & Tell
 Sleep Dirt
 Sleep Dirt / Studio Tan
 Smoke on the Water
 Snail in My Nose, A
 Snake Hips Etcetera
 Solo on Guitar
 Son of Pigs & Repugnant
 Son of Serious Music
 Songs Einstein Jr. Never Heard
 Sono di Passagio
 Soundtracks, the
 Soup & Old Clothes
 Special Edition Original
 Special Halloween Issue
 Spick & Span
 St Patrick's Day
 Stairway to Berlin
 Standing Room Only ... Arf! (Toxic Shock Part II)
 Steaming Jukebox
 Stick It In
 Stick It In - Stick It Out
 Stick It Out
 Stockholm 1967 - Montreux 1971
 Strange Habits
 Stream Flash Conservative
 String Quartet, the
 Striptease
 "Strong Willie"
 Struck All of a Heap
 Studio Tan
 Studio Tan / Sleep Dirt
 Super Mix
 Swiss Cheese
 Swiss Cheese at the Festivalhalle Basel in 1974
T (INCLUDING "THE")
 Talking Asshole / Metal Man Has Hornet's Wings, the (single)
 Tears Began to Fall
 Teenage Rockin' Combo Concert, the
 Teenage Rockin' Combo Concert Volume I, the
 Teenage Rockin' Combo Concert Volume II, the
 Teenage Rockin' Combo Concert Volume III, the
 Teenage Wind
 Televisioni Privati 1
 Televisioni Privati 2
 Tengo 'na Minchia Tanta
 Thanks for the Mammaries
 That's My Girl

 The Ark
 The Basic Primer: Z-A
 The Best Band on Broadway the Hard Way US Tour
 The Best Band You Never Heard in Your Life ... CAN Do That on Stage
 The Best of ... Pappa Zappa & Any Way the Wind Blows
 The Best Slidin' is Horse Ridin'
 The Black Page
 The Brain
 The Broccoli Shower
 The Cucamonga Era
 The Dream Machine
 The Easy Rider Generation in Concert: Frank Zappa & Mothers of Invention
 The Easy Rider Generation in Concert: The Flower Power Hippy Years (various artists)
 The Easy Rider Years
 The Eyes of Osaka
 The Famous X-mas Flower Hour
 The Flower Power Hippy Years (the Easy Rider Generation in Concert) (various artists)
 The Godfather in Full Metal Jacket
 The Godfather Meets the Untouchables
 The Grand Wazoo Orchestra
 The Greatest Flops!!!
 The History & Collected Improvisations of Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention
 The King Biscuit Flower Hour
 The Life of Francesco Zappa
 The Lone Ranger
 The Mothers Down Under
 The Mothers of Invention Appleton Album
 The Mothers of Invention Live in Framingham '69
 The Mudd Club (Welcome to)
 The Night of the Iron Sausage
 The Palladium, New York, 31 October 1981
 The Perpetual Hard-On
 The Real Tapes (Thing-Fish)
 The Rondo Hatton Band
 The Sheik's Rehearsals
 The Soundtracks
 The String Quartet
 The "Strong Willie" Shape
 The Talking Asshole / Metal Man Has Hornet's Wings
 The Teenage Rockin' Combo Concert
 The Teenage Rockin' Combo Concert Volume I
 The Teenage Rockin' Combo Concert Volume II
 The Teenage Rockin' Combo Concert Volume III
 The Toxic Shock Trilogy
 The Untouchables

 Thigh
 Thing-Fish - the Real Tapes
 Thing-Fish Outtakes (Frank Zappa's Thing-Fish)
 Things Wayne Newton Never Told You
 Time Sandwich
 Tiny Nightmares
 'Tis the Season to Be Jelly
 Titties & Beer (Zoot Allures Live in Paris)
 Tits
 To Motherbuggers Everywhere
 Token of His Extreme, A
 Token of My Extreme, A
 Toxic Shock (Trilogy & Parts 1-4)
 Trance-Fusion Demos
 Trice
 Trick or Treat
 Twenty Years Ago ... Again
 Twenty Years of Frank Zappa
 Twinkle Tits
U
 Ultra-Modern Stringbean
 UMRK Rehearsal 8/16/78
 Uncle Frankie's Prime Pork Cuts
 Uncle Penguin [YES! YES!]
 Uncle Penguin's Brain [not bad!]
 Underground Record
 Untouchables, the
 Unmitigated Audacity
 Uptown in Chicago Part 1
V
 Valarie / My Guitar (single)
 Vegetable by Any Other Name, A
 Violant Rape
 Violent Rape
 Vitamin Deficiency
 Volare
 Vs. the Tooth Fairy
W
 Wanna Buy Some Acid?
 Warts & All I
 Warts & All II
 Wasp Man Has Hornet's Wings
 Wasp Man Has Metal Wings
 Waterbury, Connecticut, 29.10.75
 Wax Flags
 We Are the Mothers and This Is What We Sound Like!
 We-Don't-Fuck-Around
 We Don't Swap Around
 Welcome to the Mudd Club
 Wet T-Shirt Nite
 What's New in Berlin?
 What's New in Loreley?
 What's Why
 Whipping Post
 Wino Man
 World Pop Domination (Advanced Study)
 Wowie Zowie
X
 Famous X-mas Flower Hour, the (Famous)
Y
 You Are Phoenix What You Is
Z
 Z: All You Need Is Glove
 Zapp...a...Paris
 Zappa in New York
 Zappa in New York 81
 Zappa Trice
 Zapped Again!
 Zappaskance
 Zappenstance
 Zeichen des magischen Affen, Im (CD that came with the book)
 Zoot Allures Live
 Zoot Allures Live in Paris (Titties & Beer)
 Zurkon Music
 Zut Alors
UNTITLED (OR WITH UNCLEAR OR UNKNOWN TITLES)
 [Untitled Picture Disc, sometimes referred to as "Frank Zappa", sometimes mentioned with the words "I/II"]
 [CD that came with the book Im Zeichen des magischen Affen]
 The "Strong Willie Shape"

merci de la liste...

tu les connais tous????????

presque ( maintenant quand j' EDIT)
garric theater c' est une semaine de live en 68 ou 69 je vais regarder dans mes cartons

edit ;

Eh ben c'est un sacré début quand même!

lol
J' ai decouvert zappa à l' été 93 ,6 mois avant sa mort....En dix ans ,on a le temps d' en collecter des choses...Tu verra bien toi aussi...Patience...

edit;

pas très efficace!

edit ; maintenant je crois avoir saisi les regles , chuis trop hon parfois
merci Mister coyote

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