Jeu en accords sur basse

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    le 27 Juil 2009, 21:04
Voilà, j'aurais en fait deux questions concernant les accords:
d'une, quand je joue des power chords, j'ai du mal à contrôler le son et ça frise pratiquement tout le temps, surtout si je change de position. Est-ce que c'est juste une histoire d'entrainement (et de force et maintien de la main gauche), ou c'est normal de friser (parce qu'après tout, c'est plus gros qu'une guitare)?

Et puis de deux, est-ce qu'il y a des positions "canoniques" pour jouer les accords sur la basse (en particulier ceux de 4 sons)? Parce que là, je me tortille dans tous les sens (je suis peut-être un peu mou du cerveau, j'ai toujours été nul aux casse-têtes), mais pas moyen de trouver une position correcte, relativement confortable et qui surtout me permette de tenir correctement les cordes.


Voilà, merci pour vos réponses : )
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    le 27 Juil 2009, 23:25
Avec ou sans accords, les cordes frisent si tu places mal tes doigts, si l'instrument est mal rêglé ou les deux.
Vu que tu parles de force, il n'est pas normal d'avoir à appuyer comme un boeuf sur les cordes. Une légère pression doit suffire.
Il y a plein de schémas d'accords utilisables de 2 à 4 cordes et plus mais étant donné le registre grave de l'instrument il est souvent préférable de limiter le nombre de cordes utilisées.
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    le 27 Juil 2009, 23:45
ok, je vais réhausser un peu les cordes et essayer de m'entraîner en douceur (je dois essayer d'aller un peu trop vite pour un début).

Sinon, sais-tu où je pourrais trouver ces schémas pour 4 cordes? J'en aurais bien besoin pour entraîner mon oreille, parce qu'en fait j'essaie de reporter ce que j'écoute sur mon instru, je crois que ça rentre mieux comme ça.
Tous les accords peuvent être adaptés à la basse, par contre je te conseil de faire de l'arpege (pouce, majeur, index) plutot que grater, ça rendra mieu!
Voila des accords avec lequels tu peux t'amuser :

__Am_________G_________F________Am
G---------9---------------7--------------5---------------9-----
B-----10----10-------9------9-------7-----7--------10----10-
A-12--------------10-------------8--------------12------------
E----------------------------------------------------------------

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    le 28 Juil 2009, 05:56
Citation:
From: ndawson@soulcage.inmind.com


DICTIONARY OF BASS CHORDS

DISCLAIMER:
I can not spell to save my life, I do use Spell-Check but don't hold me
accountable for spelling mistakes
Thank you


O.K. you say, "what is a Bass Chord?" Well, as some of you may know, a bass
chord is a chord played on a bass. WOW! If that's not the discovery of the
decade. Just like a guitar chord, it's composed of two or more notes played
together. (Yes the definition of a chord is three or more notes played to
gather, but a yellow light is supposed to mean slow down). If your a
experienced bass player there's not to much about chords that are hard. It
takes a little finger strength and memory, and if you play guitar too then
you got it made. I recommend that before you get started you do a little
warming up, it's a good habit to get into before you ever play. Make sure
you are in "as close to perfect" tune as possible. A general note to
fretless bass players: Chords can be done, it just takes a good ear and
practice. Try turning on your chorus effect if you have one. Set the depth
all the way down (to 1) and the rate all the way up (to 10 or 11). That
will help hide those minor tonality problems caused by the lack of frets. I
personally prefer my fretless for chording. A six string bass is optimal,
five is great, and four works fine. This guide is written in four string
tab for the comfort of the masses. I play all of the above and find the six
string really accommodating for chords but not too much else.
OK! With out to much more talking we should be ready to go. This is
the preliminary to my (soon to come) self contained guide for bass players.
It's almost complete in the MAC format and I'm still trying to find a way
to get it into DOS. Not every chord is in here. If you have the need for
augmented, and deminished chords you probably know enough about theory to
figure them out. BUT they will be in my new guide (hint, hint).

HERE WE GO

I'm gonna start with A and go from there
legend:
A =A chord (1,3 ,5)
Am=A minor (1, b3, 5)
A7 =A seventh (1,3,5, b7) (also know as dominate seventh)
AM7= A major seventh (1,3,5,7)
Asus4 =A suspend 4 (1, 3&4, 5)

from these basic chords you can determine many more, should you need them.
Most of these are BAR CHORDS meaning they stay the same where ever you play
them. So if you play an E and move it up a few frets it's and A. The
numbers in "()"'s are the spelling of the chord based on a major scale. In
some cases the 3 or 5 may be omitted to accommodate 4 string basses.

A
g------9--
d---11-----
a-12-------
e----------

A g---18-----
d----------
a-----19---
e-17-------

Am
g----------
d---10-----
a--12------
e--12------

Am
g---17-----
d----------
a-----19---
e--17------

A7
g---12-----
d-11-------
a---12-----
e----------

A7
g---18-----
d---17-----
a-----19---
e---17-----

AM7
g---13-----
d--11------
a--12------
e----------

AM7
g---18-----
d----18----
a----19----
e---17-----

Asus4
g-(11)12---
d--12------
a--12------
e----------

a lot of times this chord is played as a major (with the 11) then the 12 is
applied or hammered on. It can be played with out the (11).

Asus4
g----19----
d----------
a----------
e---17-----

Alllll riiiggghhhttyy thennnn, That's the majority of them. Any of those
chords can be played anywhere just be moving them up or down the neck. Try
to keep the root of the chord above the 12th fret or else it gets really low and muddy. The root is the note in the chord that names the chord. I.E.
the root of any A chord is A (go figure). The only chords that work well
below the 12th is a fifth, fourth, or third chord. This is not a rule but a
opinion.

here it is
A fifth chord
g----9----
d---7-----
a----------
e----------

A fourth chord
g---7-----
d---7-----
a----------
e----------

A third chord
g----6-----
d---7------
a----------
e----------


Notes:
The fret numbers in the TAB's may look staggered but all notes are meant to
be played at the same time. Chords can be combined. For instance you could
take a Am (A minor) and add the 7th and get a Am/7 It's pretty simple if
you figure out which one is the 7th.
Use chords to be your own rhythm and lead sections, as part of a song, for
an entire song, for funk rifs, you name it. You'll not I gave you two ways
to play every chord. There are as many ways as you have fingers and strings
to play a chord so experiment.

finally, I'd love to hear from anyone about anything except spelling and
grammar mistakes. Any funky chords you come up with, suggestions, the
works.

The new GUIDE FOR BASSETS will contain photos and drawn diagrams for almost
every known chord. I'll try to have to out by march of 95.
ENJOY

I'll leave you with one more chord and trick

A9 =A ninth chord (1, 3, 5, 9) very popular in police songs
g----18----
d----21----
a---19-----
e--17------

A9 =A ninth chord (1,5,9)
g-----16---
d----14----
a---12-----
e----------

The ALMIGHTY BASS TRICK. This only works once! THIS IS SAFE TO YOU AND YOUR
BASS. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE (I'm never responsible for anything)
When you count time or play music you count One, Two, Three, Four, One,
Two..... and so on. You count in fours. Like-wise your brain is pulsing in
that same time. By making your brain pulse at a rhythm it doesn't know it
has to learn it. It's not logical or learned so your bran works at it. The
resulting effect is a state of unbelievable high. It's like nothing you
will ever experience again.
This takes about 30-60 seconds to kick in so don't get discouraged if it
doesn't work right away. This involves your right hand mostly so warm it
up.
Lock the first or second finger of you left hand on something like the 12th
fret on the G string (the highest string). Now when you normally play the
bass you use your first and second fingers on your right had. We're gonna
use first (1) second (2) and third (3). Try alternating 1,2,1,2,1,2. You
should be comfortable with that, it's how you normally play. Now to get the
ultimate rush do this one. 3 2 1 2 1 (using your right hand). keeping doing
3 2 1 2 1. your brain is now pulsing at that rhythm DO NOT COUNT 1 2 3 4!
COUNT 3 2 1 2 1! It's a new way of counting. By the way READ THIS IN FULL
BEFORE TRYING. It's worked for everyone I know, so it should work for you.
The high will last a long time but will only be intense for as long as you
are playing and counting 3 2 1 2 1. You won't be able to play it for too
long though.
This is also a great way to learn to use your third finger. Use this as a
warm-up for your right hand.

That's ALL FOLKS

Nick Dawson
ndawson@soulcage.inmind.com
ndawson@slip.net
nicholas@slip.net
zarniewoop@delphi.com


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CnQuiZ
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    le 29 Juil 2009, 01:56
merci beaucoup.
Bon là je me suis fait des cloques au pouce, mais je vais prendre le temps d'essayer tout ça.
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    CnQuiZ
    le 02 Août 2009, 02:04
mouarf. les cloques, c'était en essayant de faire des passages de maiden en power chords (genre dance of death)... là mon pouce a vraiment souffert, mais tant mieux... aucune raison qu'il soit mieux traité que ses petits frères : D

Quant aux autres accords, je les fais en parallèle à des exercices d'écoute, donc à la limite, je peux utiliser un autre doigt vu que j'ai aucune contrainte de temps.
btw, est-ce que quelqu'un a en tête des lignes utilisant des accords plus complexes que des power chords?
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